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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Jimmy Cooper » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:33 am

Howardsjs.
Shoooosh. I don't need the authorities to know about the Lomax fan car. See Kevins and mine are 'stealthy' so can't obviously be seen.
Mine is now officially a Lomax 223 - BT46B.
I've ordered the 5 point harnesses and the full Kevlar sports seats. The astronaut training for helping to strengthen my neck muscles to resist the increase in lateral 'G' force is on the cards too.

Oh, these men that have just arrived have a nice white, padded 'racing' jacket for me............. but some idiot has made the sleeves far too long. They almost reach around to my back!!!!

Yes, I remember the fuss about the Brabham BT46B fan car in '78.

Good little video clip about Gordon Murray's baby.

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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by hutchii » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:28 pm

Given the concern expressed by some about over-cooling engines which have been fitted with fans, and controlling them manually, I suggest fitting an adjustable thermostatic switch. These are available from as little as £10 on ebay,and typically have a temperature range from around 10 degs C to 120 degs C. Some have a switching capacity up to 15 amps, while others are supplied with a relay. The sensing part of the probe could be attached to the oil cooler wherever it's been mounted, and the adjuster fitted to the bulkhead as the capillary tubes are a meter long. Then it's only a case of setting the stat to achieve a suitable cut-in point.

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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Jimmy Cooper » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:53 am

I am treating the oil cooling and the cylinder temperature as separate entities. Yes, the oil does keep engine temperatures down and stabilised but the rise in temperature on an air cooled cylinder is far quicker than the oil temperature rises so the fans won't be controlled by an in-place thermostat.
Hence the manual fan 'on' switch to enable instant access to cooling air.
I did toy with the idea of using a thermostat as you mentioned with its probe on the cylinder itself (tucked into the fins) but feel that is too hit and miss. These variable stats (I used to have a Kenlow one on my Caterham 7) are usually set-up with the probe set inside the top rad hose connection area. This is because the water will rise in temp at a constant rate so allowing the thermocouple probe to work well. The probe attached to a cylinder has too many variables to be consistent.
I need to check it out but think as the fans are only an additional safeguard that the manual system should be adequate. My workshop at present is sitting around the 0* to a minus figure so not easy to test.
My Lotus Esprit S3 had a OE thermostatic fan switch fitted as std but I still fitted a manual over-ride as these 'Otter' switches (named after the manufacturer) had a reputation for failing. The 'joke' in Esprit circles was the company called themselves 'Otter' as that's what all the engines they fitted their products to did. They just got 'otter!!!!!!

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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Jimmy Cooper » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:19 pm

Well, finally finished it all off today. Deciding on where to put a switch so it would remain a balanced/symmetrical dash was important to me. I figured the only time the fans are going to be switched on is when I'm in traffic so the steering wheel will be pretty much straight ahead.
With that thought I fitted the central switch etc as easy to see. easy to turn on/off and a balanced view dashboard.
The light in the switch is actually a lot brighter than it appears in the picture!


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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Mendip.Wursel » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:05 pm

Look like a very neat job .... I see you have just turned to 10K miles so just about run in.

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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Jimmy Cooper » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:58 pm

I could show you the other now removed 'spare' speedo with 89K on it?
But, engine has had a full rebuild with higher compression pistons etc.
Probably explains why it'll do 84mph flat (on satnav; speedo say 90) with my not unsubstantial weight driving it!!!!!
Amazes me for 602cc.
Oh, private test track of course officer :o

By the way Kevin at tickover on my 223 with no lights on etc the battery voltage across the terminals is a stable 13.8volts.
With both fans running the battery voltage drops but stabilises at 12.8 volts. Use a Paris - Rhone alternator with separate regulator box.
How about yours?
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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by dave randall » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:00 pm

hi tried my hover fan today but only got 100mm ground clearance have others got more or less. lots of speed bumps here in france . the bressuire g/prix is w/e 28 29 june standard d/ l is all that's required dave r

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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Jimmy Cooper » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:46 pm

Hi Dave,
Plenty of speed reduction humps (car suspension killers) in the UK too. My Caterham 7 had 110mm sump clearance and would touch down the sump or if only the "Square Lumps" type and you drove at an angle to them it'd touch down the side exhaust outlet. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

Well I just checked the lowest point of the fans on my 223 and there is 200mm clear from the fan shroud at its lowest point to the road surface. Have you pictures of your set-up? I'd worry about only 100mm!!!! :shock:
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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Portuguy » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:24 am

Sounds like Cooper-man might be making a journey into hotter climes ? Maybe even risk going down to Roasting hot Portugal ...... To test the fans out ...of course !!!( better get the spiders cleaned out the caravan just in case !!!!!!
Ill be trying to set up Kakiwaki fans too when they arrive . Ill have to wait untill the sun goes down a bit to get comfortable working conditions to fit them ....Sorry folks in Winterfull Uk !

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Re: Oil Cooler info. Cylinder Cooling fans too!!!

Post by Jimmy Cooper » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:34 pm

Hotter climes? That'll be on the South Coast of England as in Chichester for the Summer Gathering then! :lol:
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